Despedite de la estabilidad de CentOS, ahora será rolling

Asi como lo leen, y es claro que estos eran los planes de Red Hat. Ahora, CentOS será rolling en su version 7. Ya vimos problemas en CentOS 6 como comentaba Linuxito y yo con un kernel panic, ahora, rolling.
Es claro lo que buscaba RH al comprar CentOS, convertirla en un Fedora mas con mas calidad, romper el ecosistema, usarlo de pruebas para RHEL y que tengas que comprar la licencia.

Expongo un log de IRC, donde saque los nick por razones obvias de privacidad, yo no tengo el derecho de publicar nada, ni quiero hacerlo, en esta charla hay dos personas de Devuan y un muchacho de Fedora y RH, lean lo que se dice atentamente, o traduzcanlo.

<nick2> so
<nick2> RH is putting the nails in the coffin
<nick2> for CentOS
<nick2> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/05/1629210
<nick2> soon to be rolling release only no doubt, for now its just a "feature"
<nick1> and look that
<nick1> http://buildlogs.centos.org/centos/7/isos/
<nick1> 05-Dec-2014 18:45
<nick1> http://buildlogs.centos.org/rolling/7/isos/x86_64/
<nick1> 03-Dec-2014 17:01  4.0G
<nick1> two days of delay
<nick1> so, centos now is rolling
<nick1> into the same branch, but is rolling
<fedoraguy> er, isn't it just about when they rebuild the ISO files?
<nick1> Yes, pushing the updates
<nick1> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-December/020807.html
<nick2> right in the comments, someone states the obvious:
<nick1> but look the date of the releases.. fedoraguy
<nick2> As more distros offer rolling releases the formal "release" will become a thing of the past, but with that comes an increased level of risk. Someone is bound to slip backdoors in user space programs of libraries and intentionally use the update channel in a monstrously large hack one of these days.
<fedoraguy> i.e. not something you would even notice when running an usual server, because usually you'd install it once and then get updates from repos as usual
<fedoraguy> previously you would get an installation ISO that is maybe a couple of months old and would not get updated until the next RHEL point release
<nick2> fedoraguy: "are you running the latest update? no? well then no support for you sucka!"
<nick2> :/
<fedoraguy> most centos users do not have a support contract anyway
<nick2> fedoraguy: right, but this is what they will do to RHEL next
<fedoraguy> I am not saying that centos is perfect for everything, but I do not see why the installation disk image build time would matter to most users
<nick2> fedoraguy: and they'll say that to centos forum users no doubt
<fedoraguy> or the schedule, not the time
<nick2> people who need help will just be told to run the latest version
<nick1> solution.... uses scientific linux, that is not rolling
<fedoraguy> even before, centos would not ship updates to CentOS N.(M-1) once CentOS N.M was available
<nick2> nick1: for now..., but when RHEL goes rolling... good luck
<fedoraguy> the updates repo would have packages just from RHEL N.M and not the stuff that was possibly backported into RHEL N.(M-1)
<nick1> nick2: I don't think that RHEL was a fool for be rolling, but... maybe, only the customers have support and all fine, the rest... fuck off...
<nick2> hrmmm
<fedoraguy> installing the normal updates would automatically move users from older point release to the newest one
<fedoraguy> like an apt-get upgrade would move from debian 7.0.1 to the latest 7.0.x
<nick1> in SL you need put yum --releasever=6.6 update for example.
<nick1> is no automatic
<nick2> Updating some packages is one thing, but continuously upgrading the entire system is not really good if stability is your primary concern
<nick1> and the no up to date systems, have updates
<fedoraguy> nick2: this change does not seem to be about continuously upgrading the entire system
<nick2> fedoraguy: what do you think rolling means dude?
<fedoraguy> it just about rebuilding the installation images based on a regular schedule, and not only when there is a new point release of RHEL
<nick2> fedoraguy: so, untested installers. great. just-fucking-great.
<nick1> fedoraguy: you says that is like the rebuild of live respins of Fedora ?.
<fedoraguy> nick1: AFAIK it is a similar thing, but "official" images instead of ones from some random guy
<nick1> well the penultimate kernel update in my dedicate server, was a kernel panic..
<nick1> C6.6
<fedoraguy> nick2: it may have bugs of course, but likely the installer does not change much anyway
<fedoraguy> it is a change and possibly it can have some negative effects, but I really do not see why this would be a big deal for most CentOS users
<nick2> fedoraguy: you know what I mean, new packages, on an untested install config
<nick2> fedoraguy: if you don't see the problem, you're not paying attention :/
<fedoraguy> previously you had the possibility of using an old installer image that possibly has some bugs. now you can get a bit newer installer image that possibly has some bugs
<nick2> fedoraguy: :/
<fedoraguy> likely it will not be hard to keep also older installation images available, if it turns out that new installation images frequently add bugs
<nick2> fedoraguy: single release installer = many testers
<nick2> fedoraguy: rolling install pkg set = few installers, many versions
<nick2> fedoraguy: bug finding increase eponentially
<nick2> simple as that
<fedoraguy> RHEL updates its core components pretty conservatively, so I would not pre-emptively decide that the change clearly causes bad effects
<nick2> :/
<nick2> "sorry, centos only uses a rolling installer now, either buy a RHEL contract or be stuck with it"

Creo que entendieron, para los que no, CentOS va a comenzar a rehacer las ISO de forma rolling, metiendo ademas de updates, otras cosas, quien sabe y para los que instalen algo de esto, les toca el modo rolling, para los que no, que dicen "no pero yo no instalo la rama rolling", podran ver la fecha de creacion de la ISO de la stable 7 y de la rolling, 2 dias de diferencia, que les dice esto?. Olvidense de la estabilidad de CentOS, yo personalmente dudo realmente de seguir usandolo en entornos productivos y pasar a usar Scientific Linux, dado que ellos se mantienen clonando RHEL, a menos que, RHEL se vuelva rolling para joder a todos y solo sus clientes tendran las soluciones y updates correctas, cosa que no me extrañaria.

Y bueno, fue bueno mientras duró.

http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-December/020807.html

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